Brewers Admit a Timeless Ticket Mistake and Let Holders Keep Both Seats
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- 01What exactly did the Timeless Ticket promise?
- 02What were holders actually offered for the World Series?
- 03Why does the 2018 comparison make this worse for the club?
- 04What did the Brewers announce on Tuesday?
- 05What is the seat actually worth, then?
- 06What happens next?
- 07Game 1 is Friday at American Family Field, against a Rays team carried there by Freddy Peralta, the pitcher Milwaukee traded away in January. The club will contact the holders who applied before the deadline, and Friday will show how many of them are in the building. The open question is the refusers. The Deaton brothers said they would watch from home unless the club came back with a better offer; Tuesday’s statement is a better offer of one kind, a second game rather than a better seat, and nothing published yet records whether they take it, or whether a holder who said no still has a World Series seat to keep. Milwaukee’s wait for this week lasted 44 years, the kind of span catalogued in the longest championship droughts in North American sports. The fans who pre-paid for it in 2015 will now watch its end from the top deck, with their brass ticket still in hand for another year. One person with a stake in the outcome needs no ticket at all: Jake Woodford pitched for both clubs this season and is in line for a ring either way.
The Milwaukee Brewers are about to play a World Series at home for the first time since 1982, and some of the fans who backed the club earliest spent the week arguing with it over where they would sit. In 2015 the Brewers sold 1,000 Timeless Tickets at $1,000 each, each one redeemable for any game the holder chose. Holders who saved theirs for this week were offered the terrace level or standing room only, and two of them said no in public. On Tuesday the club answered, and its answer was an admission: it got the redemptions wrong, and the holders will keep their World Series seats and their tickets.
Update, Tuesday October 20: Brewers president of business operations Rick Schlesinger released a statement admitting the club erred in its internal communications and did not live up to the spirit of the programme. Holders who applied before the deadline keep their World Series seats and keep their Timeless Ticket for a future season. The sections below have been updated with the statement and what it leaves open.
What exactly did the Timeless Ticket promise?
One seat at any future Brewers home game, with no expiry date. FanSided’s history of the promotion describes a solid brass ticket engraved with the buyer’s name, launched in January 2015 when Milwaukee were coming off an 82-80 season and a third straight year without October baseball. The club’s own promotional wording, still live, says that whether it is this season, the year 2050 or the seventh game of the World Series, all are valid games to redeem a Timeless Ticket. Redemption also allows the holder to buy up to three additional tickets at face value. The argument is not about getting in. It is about one line on the information card that came with each ticket, quoted by TMJ4: the ticket “may be redeemed for the best available seat locations, subject to ticket availability at the time of redemption.”
What were holders actually offered for the World Series?
The fourth deck. Kevin and Kyle Deaton, brothers from Kenosha who paid $1,000 each in 2015, told TMJ4 they were stunned to find their options were terrace level seats or standing room only. “When you promise somebody the best seat available, and you give them pretty much the worst seats that you have in the whole stadium, I would say, no. They’re not honoring it,” Kyle Deaton said. He described calling the ticket office: “This has to be a mistake. It’s terrace level; that’s level four. That’s not the best available seat. And she said, yeah, I’m not going to argue that there’s better seats available. This is what’s being allocated to the Timeless Ticket holders.” Kevin Deaton said he had not expected the front row, but had expected something in the first ten rows. Both brothers refused the allocation and plan to watch from home. Sports Illustrated confirmed the shape of the offer independently: one upper deck seat per ticket, with the option to buy three more tickets at $1,000 each.
Why does the 2018 comparison make this worse for the club?
Because holders have a precedent, and it is a good one. The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel spoke to Danny Fochesato, who went through the redemption process in 2018 and again in 2025. In 2018, had Milwaukee reached the World Series, he would have had four seats in Section 119, right behind home plate, and the three additional tickets were priced at $360 each. This year his allocation was the 400 level terrace or standing room, additional tickets ran from $725 for standing room to $1,000 for a terrace box, and he said better seats became available to the general public after holders had been allocated theirs. “That right there tells me that what they were offering us before the public sale wasn’t ‘best available,’” he told the paper. Fochesato also said he has connected with other holders online who share the frustration, and that some have decided not to redeem at all.
What did the Brewers announce on Tuesday?
An admission, and a refund paid in the programme’s own currency. In a statement reported by TMJ4 and FOX6, president of business operations Rick Schlesinger said several hundred holders had indicated before the deadline that they intended to redeem their ticket for a World Series game. The club, he said, erred in its internal communications on the logistics of fulfilling those requests. Every holder was given a seat, but some were unhappy with the locations, and the club accepts that, even with the limits on available seats, it did not live up to the spirit of the programme. The resolution is that holders who applied before the deadline will be contacted by the club: they keep the World Series seats they were given for this year, and they keep their Timeless Ticket, redeemable for another game in any future season. Schlesinger said the club regrets its mistake. Two limits of the offer are worth stating plainly. Nothing in the statement moves anyone’s seat for this World Series; the terrace allocation stands, and the compensation is the second redemption. And the statement, as reported, speaks to holders who applied and accepted seats. It does not say what happens to a holder who refused the allocation outright, in a series where Junior Caminero’s first postseason homer sent Tampa Bay to meet Milwaukee.
What is the seat actually worth, then?
Far more than $1,000, which was always the awkward part of the argument. Sports Illustrated, citing Front Office Sports, put the cheapest secondary market ticket for Game 1 at $2,809, a higher get-in price than Super Bowl LX, while 1982 World Series tickets at County Stadium had a face value of $18. A terrace seat at face value is a bargain most fans in Milwaukee would take at once, and it now comes with the original ticket handed back as well. The holders’ case was never about value. It was about what best available meant to the 1,000 people who handed over $1,000 in 2015, when a World Series in Milwaukee was a hypothetical, and kept the ticket in a drawer through the near misses. The full context of how rare this stage is for both clubs sits in most World Series wins by a team, where neither Milwaukee nor Tampa Bay appears at all.
What happens next?
Game 1 is Friday at American Family Field, against a Rays team carried there by Freddy Peralta, the pitcher Milwaukee traded away in January. The club will contact the holders who applied before the deadline, and Friday will show how many of them are in the building. The open question is the refusers. The Deaton brothers said they would watch from home unless the club came back with a better offer; Tuesday’s statement is a better offer of one kind, a second game rather than a better seat, and nothing published yet records whether they take it, or whether a holder who said no still has a World Series seat to keep. Milwaukee’s wait for this week lasted 44 years, the kind of span catalogued in the longest championship droughts in North American sports. The fans who pre-paid for it in 2015 will now watch its end from the top deck, with their brass ticket still in hand for another year. One person with a stake in the outcome needs no ticket at all: Jake Woodford pitched for both clubs this season and is in line for a ring either way.
Frequently asked questions
What is a Brewers Timeless Ticket?+
A promotion the Brewers ran in 2015, selling 1,000 tickets at $1,000 each. Each ticket, a brass ticket engraved for the buyer, can be redeemed for one seat at any future Brewers home game, including a World Series game, and lets the holder buy up to three additional tickets at face value for the same game.
What were holders promised about seats?+
The information card that came with each ticket said it may be redeemed for the best available seat locations, subject to ticket availability at the time of redemption. That wording is the heart of the dispute, because holders read best available as the best seats in the park, while the club allocated them a specific block.
What seats were holders offered for the World Series?+
Terrace level seats, on the fourth and highest level of American Family Field, or standing room only. Kenosha brothers Kevin and Kyle Deaton told TMJ4 that a ticket office representative acknowledged better seats were available but said this was the allocation for Timeless Ticket holders, so the brothers declined and plan to watch from home.
How does this compare with the 2018 redemption?+
Very differently, according to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel's reporting on holder Danny Fochesato. When he went through the process in 2018, with a World Series place possible, he would have had four seats in Section 119 behind home plate, and the three extra tickets were $360 each. This year the extra tickets ran from $725 for standing room to $1,000 for a terrace box seat.
Have the Brewers responded?+
Yes. On Tuesday, club president Rick Schlesinger said the Brewers erred in their internal communications on the redemptions and did not live up to the spirit of the programme. Holders who applied before the deadline keep their World Series seats and also keep their Timeless Ticket for a future season. The club said it regrets the mistake.
Do holders get a better seat now?+
Nothing in the club's statement moves the seats. The allocation stays at terrace level or standing room for this World Series. The compensation is the ticket itself: instead of being spent, it is handed back, so a holder ends up with a World Series seat this year and a Timeless Ticket still to use.
What about holders who refused their seats?+
That is the part the club has not answered in the coverage so far. The Deaton brothers refused the allocation and said they would watch from home. The resolution speaks to holders who applied and accepted seats, and it does not say whether a holder who refused still gets a World Series seat, only the retained ticket, or neither.
When is Game 1, and what do ordinary tickets cost?+
Game 1 is Friday, October 23 in Milwaukee, the first World Series game in the city since 1982. Sports Illustrated, citing Front Office Sports, put the cheapest secondary market seat for Game 1 at $2,809, above the get-in price for Super Bowl LX, which is part of why a $1,000 ticket bought in 2015 was supposed to be such a shelter from the market.
Sources
- TMJ4 News: Timeless Ticket holders say Brewers aren't fully honoring deal for World Series (the original reporting: the Deaton brothers in full, the information card wording, the ticket office exchange, the 1,000 tickets at $1,000, and the club not responding to a Monday interview request)
- Sports Illustrated: Why Some Brewers Fans Are Upset With Team's Unique Timeless Tickets Before World Series (independent confirmation of the terrace allocation, the three extra tickets at $1,000 each, the brothers opting out, and the $2,809 Game 1 get-in price via Front Office Sports)
- Milwaukee Journal Sentinel: Brewers fans redeem Timeless Tickets, with some frustration amid joy (the Fochesato account: Section 119 behind home plate in the 2018 process, $360 extras then against $725 to $1,000 now, better seats reaching the general public afterwards, and no club response)
- FanSided: What Brewers fans were promised when they bought $1,000 Timeless Tickets (the 2015 launch detail, the brass ticket, the club's own promotional wording, the October 17 redemption form deadline and Monday's allocation notices)
- TMJ4 News: Brewers release statement after controversy over 'Timeless Ticket' (the club's Tuesday statement in full: the internal communications error, the spirit of the programme, and holders keeping both the World Series seats and the ticket)
- FOX6 News: World Series, Brewers address 'Timeless Ticket' redemption concerns (the same statement, with the application-deadline framing: holders who met the deadline will be contacted and keep both)
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